So what's going on with Signal's new architecture that retains all user data? It seems like a total reversal of their previous stance and one that dramatically changes their threat model. Their new security properties rely entirely on SGX, which is barely secure against motivated home users, much less nation state adversaries.

@th As much as I hate to admit it, @sir could be right on this one: They're into cryptography LARPing and we haven't noticed until it was too late.

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@wasamasa @sir Whisper Systems seems to have always made reasonable decisions in the past regarding Signal, so it is really puzzling why they want to open themselves up to so much risk. "Moxie: Blink twice if you're being coerced!"

@th @wasamasa no, no they have not, they have always made shitty decisions in their own self-interest against the needs of the users

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