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@neauoire the longevity of paper tapes and punch cards is amazing. @phooky and I recovered some from a moldy basement and were able to read them fifty years later. trmm.net/Papertapes/

@th @neauoire @phooky the density is kind of awful but with how tiny most uxn roms are maybe it doesn't matter, haha, and for archival purposes I guess density is less of an issue vs mass media too.

Still sound super cool how robust it can be. I guess just don't get em properly wet and hope for no fires, haha. Seems like you could visually inspect for "corruption" very easily too.

@maxc @neauoire @phooky yeah, density of printouts, tape and punch cards isn't very high, but they are quite durable. And the encoding is simple enough that it can be done by hand if the tapes or cards are too damaged to mechanically process.

@th @neauoire @phooky absolutely love that photo.

Are there standard modern 8 bit binary clean punch formats? Article linked at the top talked about a 7 bit (ascii I guess?) plus parity where 0 and 127 were skipped but seems like there'd be lots of ways to approach it

@maxc @neauoire @phooky 8-bit punch tape is possible, although I don't recall if the ASR-33 can send it (my recollection is it is hardwired for 7E2) bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pd

@th Am i reading it right that it's 2 rows per byte, or is it a bitstream of 6 bits per row (with 7th bit in a row being some section delimiter)?

@maxc that's a weird format since it's PDP-8 with a 12-bit octal word, so two 6-bit rows == 1 word and the 7th punch is used to indicate that the next two rows encode the load address.

@th ah the 12 bit word is the context I was missing :) makes sense now.

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Programmers back then: Shit, I made a typo, now it's forever

Archivists decades later: Yup, I can confirm.

@th @neauoire @phooky Indeed it is. Every 10 years the U.S. National Archives does a study of all known archival storage media and ranks them. Paper has always won by a huge margin and still does. Proper paper with proper ink, properly stored, easily lasts 1,000 years. The shocking thing is how poorly our modern media like CDs do. Horrible.

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