Also, who ever changed it so that `less` uses the vt100 alternate screen and erases the text on exit made a bad decision. Please step into the time machine back to 1994 and revert patch 227 that added `-X` and `no_init`

@pburka even worse! see my followup! https://social.v.st/@th/109150667772046757

@th How do you feel about -hhh?

@th I do like when full-screen TUI is removed on exit, and leave the scrolling text history for actual command lines.

@javierg 99% of the time I've scrolled through a man page to find an obscure command line option, which then disappears when I press `q` to exit less, so I can no longer refer to the documentation. That's why I think it was a mistake to not make `-X` the default.

@th @javierg this is my exact beef as well. it was clearly developed by people who had access to two VT100s side-by-side

@phooky @javierg three vt100s is the ideal high-productivity desktop environment

@th @phooky one for ls, one for man and one for ed

@javierg @phooky that sounds like a proper setup, plus an ASR33 for the occasional hardcopy.

@th @javierg I still want prompt screens instead of man pages for exactly this use case

(what if your man page was a form that you could fill in, and also you could expand a prompt screen on each field inside of that form, to get possible values)

@th some days i think we should just write a set of new utils from scratch

@phooky @th see also: Plan 9

@th This screen clearing is incredibly annoying! But the #neovim author doesn't even know what the problem is and won't add the exit without clearing. So classic #vim forever! ;)

@th my fingers know the answer by heart

infocmp -l > a
vi a
/.mcup RET
dWn.ZZ
tic a; rm a

@th I override alt screen in my terminal definition 😏