We need to talk about data centres.

For the 2nd or 3rd time this week I've seen someone comment on a new data centre build with a stat about how 80% of data is never accessed. Then they talk about the energy and cooling used in modern DCs.

The reality is that data storage is actually incredibly efficient, and uses fuck all power. A hard disk is less than 10w and stores multiple users data.

Storing data, our photos, our memories, our history. Is not the problem.

What is? 1/n

The thing driving the need for the bigger more power and water hungry data centres is AI. Sparkling autocarrot. Where as a machine in a rack full of hard disks might consume a couple of hundred watts. A machine loaded up with a typical load of 8 "AI accelerators" can be pulling in the region of 5kw. Over an order of magnitude more power than the energy needed to store the lifes photos of hundreds of people.

And why ? To what end?

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I've worked in this industry for over a quarter of a century.

At no point have I found myself thinking "I wish I could just ask the computer to write this email for me" "I wish the computer could write my code for me". MS is adding co pilot function to lots of products. Not as opt in. But opt out. And it's a right hassle to turn it off? Why? So someone can ask it to right a longer email from a prompt that the recipient can then ask the AI to summarise for them ?

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There are certainly some areas where machine learning (note, I'm not calling it AI) has it's uses. Medical research springs to mind. But a ubiquitous AI assistance rolled into all our products? Why? It's just using too much power, too many resources, and for what ? Sparkling autocarrot.

Encoding the worst of our society in a bit stream. Exacerbating inequality, prejudice, and hate.

In comp sci there's a term. GIGO. Garbage in. Garbage out.

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These large language models are being fed on the combined mass of the world's online content. Your tweets, Facebook posts, forum posts, that blog you forgot you started. All of it is being fed into the black box of the LLM. The internet provides us unprecedented access to the world's information. But it is also an unprecedented collection of hate. We've seen this time and time again. From chat bots that start shouting nazi propaganda, to CV vetting systems that won't hire women.

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Garbage in. Garbage out.

And what makes this even more terrifying is that when you look at a webpage, it's often hard to tell if it's been generated with sparkling autocarrot, or written by a human. If we can't tell, then what hope does the LLM? And so we're gonna end up with the next generation models being fed on the output of the previous. This is going to create feedback loops. Reinforcing the worst the model has to offer. Strengthening the hate. The prejudice.

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And because we don't know what has been created how. There's no way to control what feeds the models. It's just gonna enshitify. And fast.

AI has all the hallmarks of a bubble. Like crypto before it, and half a dozen other bubbles before that, that all share their heritage right back to the south sea bubble (no, not tulip mania, but that's something for a different thread).

Except this bubble has gone more mainstream. It's consuming way more resources. Than any before it.

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Water is going to become the next big inequality front. As the climate changes. Clean fresh water is going to become harder to come by. More expensive, and more unequal. That same water is being poured over panels I'm data centres to cool the servers. To cool the AI accelerators, generating content noone asked for. Enshitifying the knowledge base of humanity. Just so a few people can make some money.

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@quixoticgeek why is fresh water being used to cool data centers? The data center machines could care less if it is clean or not. That seems a big oversight.

(And before someone says salt water corrodes, why the f would you need to put the water right against the machines, it just needs to absorb thermal energy, not make out with it.)

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@davidaugust because humans are near the systems. And warm water is a great place for nasty bugs.

The water doesn't go near the machines (except in a few very modern cases). It's used to cool the air con for the room the machines are in. Using evaporative cooling. Use unclean water, and these evaporative coolers become a major biohazard.

@quixoticgeek I see. So using a scarce resource, without which humans cannot exist is the trade off chosen to avoid heating freshwater and making it…something humans cannot exist with.

Seems to me the two curves likely intersect and switch places at some point.

@davidaugust it makes absolutely no sense what so ever. But capitalism.

It gets even worse when you look into the water requirements of CPU manufacture.

In other news Arizona and Texas are going to be home to new giant chip fabs... To make the high end chips needed for sparkling autocarrot...

@quixoticgeek majorly foolish. 🤦‍♂️

You are right.

In a wiser world fantasies like harnessing the thermal energy put out by the data center to help power the data center would be entertained. It instead the cheap extraction of money without investing in something that works long term is what we’re left with. Not great.

@davidaugust or use the waste heat to drive district heating systems for nearby homes and offices...

@quixoticgeek @davidaugust Sorry, but the thermodynamics don't work out. The waste heat from datacenters just isn't hot enough to transfer any distance at all. You can use it to gently warm the building, but that's it. Lots of heat energy, yes - but not a lot of temperature. If you want waste heat for district heating you need something hotter, like certain industrial processes. Generally people don't want to live next to a cement kiln though.

@Qybat @davidaugust my apartment is heated by waste heat from industrial processes a few km away.

You can use the low grade waste heat from a DC to feed a heat pump if you need a higher temp.

@quixoticgeek @Qybat @davidaugust we have a huge ceramics factory down the road, in the middle of a residential area. It breaks my heart that they can't be persuaded into some kind of district heating system.

Elsewhere in the UK, people are installing small data centres in the same buildings as existing swimming pools. Cool one, heat the other, everyone wins.
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